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tebj0

Postet - 17/03/2006 : 19:53:24

Har sett at veldig mange av dere er veldig i mot bruken av pessoa-bitt, har også lest en tidligere debatt hvor det blir diskutert litt om virkningen av bittet. Forstår jeg det rett viss det fungerer slik at hest får press på nakken? Syns dette bittet ser rimelig harmløst ut jeg da

men har jo forstått at det ikke er det.
Jeg er litt grønn når det gjelder bitt, går kun to-og tredelt trinse hos meg og hestene mine fungerer veldig fint på det. Men lurer litt på hva som er å anbefale på strie hester i stede for pessoa? Hvordan fungerer et pelham-bitt eller jaktkandar-bitt i forhold? Er dette å regne som sterkere bitt en pessoa?

tebj0

Postet - 21/03/2006 : 08:36:26

Kopi av melding:
Det finnes en norsk side om bitt her:

http://www.dressur-web.nu/Bitsandbitting_html/index.htm

og her står det om pessoabittet:'

http://www.dressur-web.nu/Bitsandbitting_html/andre.htm

Opprinnelig postet av Nora og Phaulius

Den var super

Engelsken min er nok blitt litt rusten i det siste

så en norsk side hjalp litt på ja

Nora og Phaulius

Postet - 21/03/2006 : 00:33:59

Det finnes en norsk side om bitt her:

http://www.dressur-web.nu/Bitsandbitting_html/index.htm

og her står det om pessoabittet:'

http://www.dressur-web.nu/Bitsandbitting_html/andre.htm

Lopke

Postet - 20/03/2006 : 16:21:39

eller print ut en "bok" som jeg har gjort.. Leser på senga hver kveld. Mye interessant på siden og jeg mener det er veldig fornuftig det hun skriver. (det er jo alltid så ulike meninger omkring utstyr) Men henne her har virkelig klart å beskrive så man forstår det.

www.Sustainabledressage.net

Kurre

Postet - 20/03/2006 : 15:52:05

Dette forklarer Therese på den overnevnte siden om "Pessoabittet".
"The Dutch/Pessoa/Continental/3-Ring/4-Ring Gag Bit

A 3-ring pessoa gag.The most common of these bits was one that became very popular, at least in Sweden, around 1994-95. It was generally referred to as the bit that would put the horse on the bit. Also, it got its Swedish name from world famous jumper stars Nelson and Rodrigo Pessoa, and is simply called a pessoa bit. It's english name, Pessoa-gag, 3-ring gag or simply jumper gag is much more suitable. Because it IS a gag bit, have no doubt.

Many dressage riders resorted to this bit while training at home, because it could control hot horses, and most of all, put unwilling horses "on the bit". People generally speak of 'lever action' and how it was 'softer' than a pelham or a curb. But what this bit really does is create leverage, and by this leverage pull itself up towards the teeth, and cause the rider to ride way too heavy in the hands with a trapped horse who focuses totally on getting his teeth around the bit in some way. QUITE contrary to any unjointed curb bit with a chain.

How does that work? Well to start off, yes, it has leverage, because the side piece is fastened at a given point on the bit-ring, and the rein is fastened at another given point opposite to the side piece.

The bizarre function of a pessoa gag.The mouth piece is somewhere in the middle and more or less stuck in the horse's mouth. So any pull on the reins will move the fastening point of the side piece in relation to the rein fastening around an axis which is the mouth cavity of the horse. This is the general function of any lever bit.

With the exception of course that it has a jointed mouth piece and no chin chain. The fact that it has no chin chain is in my view the worst part. Because when the rein is pulled back and up, the side piece is pulled forward and down. But since the side piece stops it from actually moving down, the pivotal point - the mouth piece will instead be pulled up, into the corner of the mouth, and against the teeth. The snaffle ring is pulled through the mouthpiece, just like the rolled leather sidepieces are pulled through the regular gag.

That would never happen if the fastening ring of the side piece had been fixed to the lower jaw by a restraining chin chain. That would have kept the side piece fastening from being pulled to the front altogether, and thus stopped the mouth piece from being pulled up into the corner of the mouth and against the teeth.

It would also have rendered a much more severe effect since the mouth piece would be pulled back against the bars and tongue and squeezed the lower jaw between mouth piece and chin chain.

But since it does not, it also does not have any direct effect on a slightly disobedient/rushing horse. All the parts of the bit and bridle give to some extent, when the rider pulls on the rein, and together that becomes quite a bit. The rider can actually pull the hand(s) back 4-6 inches before a really resistant horse is overcome by pain. (A rider with his hands 6 inches back from neutral position has his hands at the sides of his hips and the elbows waaaay back. Not exactly a position where it feels natural for a rider to release.)

First the side piece gives an inch forward (while the bit moves up) which results in 2 inches in the hand.Then the bit bends around the jaw because it is jointed which renders it even more horizontal and gives another 2 inches to the rider. Then the horse starts to open his mouth as far as the noseband allows, and then gives some in the neck. The rider can thus pull the rein back about 4-8 inches with a slowly increasing amount of discomfort for the horse. And if you pull your hand so far back from its assigned place above the withers, your fists will now be at your hips. Which will put your elbows well behind the vertical line of the upper arm. And from this position, you are not likely to yield with any quickness or feel. You will be pulling.
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Litt langt og litt engelsk,men veldig godt forklart.
Gå inn på siden hennes,les og lær!

Guro

Postet - 18/03/2006 : 13:56:04

Hvis du er litt stødig i engelsk er dette en fin side der det står en del om bitt:
Sustainabledressage.net
(innbiller meg at jeg klarte å linke rett til Pessoaen nå)

Bedre at den forklarer enn at jeg gjør det;-)

~Guro

Lopke

Postet - 17/03/2006 : 20:31:58

Fordi pessoa er et GAG bitt.. les litt om dette, vanskelig å forklare men ringene er løse men vrir bittet i munnen på hesten..

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